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DCIJUDGE summary - August 2011

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Table of Contents

LAST MINUTE NEWS
Documents and Web Contents
- New Judge Articles
- Announcement: Welcome to level 1 project by Edwin Zhang
- New WER build by John Grant
- Introducing MTG Archive project by Alexei Gousev
- A new Judge Booklet by Ute Kronenberg
- Mobile Devices: Updated Oracle for Modern by Ryan Stapleton
- DCIR penalty file update by Andy Heckt
Community and Program
- Happy Anniversary! August 2011 by Johanna Virtanen
- Judge Advancements – July 2011 Update by Carlos Ho
- Judge of the Week by Lindsay Heming
- Magic Online Judge Open 2011 by Carlos Ho
Policy and Tournament Operations
- Modern by Even Lindell Heggø
- Taking Advantage of the Clock at Regular REL by Ivan Stefanov
- Outside Assistance at FNM by Sam Robinson
- Deck Error scenario at Regular REL by Gunnar Holmstedt
- Missing Sideboard by Min Moldover
- Lying by Omission by Carlos Ho
- When to Carry over Penalties by Richard Drijvers
- When is it too late? by Pierre Laquerre
- Sylvan Library by Jason McFarland
- Bloodlord of Vaasgoth "Missed Trigger" by Christopher Hickman
- Player gets sloppy with Marsh Flats by CJ Shrader
- Consecrated Sphinx by Bob Narindra
- Overrun after Combat by Jason Wong
- Shortcut for an Arbitrarily Large amount of Coin Flips by Maximilian Schroeder
- Comp Rules 602.5c by Federico Donner
- Introducing the Knowledge Pool by David de la Iglesia
August Events
- GP SHANGHAI 2011 – August 20-21
- GP PITTSBURGH 2011 – August 27-28
September Events
- PT PHILADELPHIA 2011 – September 2-4
- GP MONTREAL 2011 – September 17-18
- 2011 Nationals

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LAST MINUTE NEWS

Seven new L3 at PT Philadelphia (Justin Turner, Sam Straus, Steven Briggs, Sean Catanese, Ryan Stapleton, Dan Stephens, Benjamin McDole) and a new L4 (Chris Richter).

DCI points substituted by Planeswalker Points (read the announcement by Matt Turian).

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Documents and Web Contents

New Judge Articles

Announcement: Welcome to level 1 project by Edwin Zhang

Edwin Zhang: "I'm proud to show you the first product of our project. It's a page on the judge wiki, for brand new judges who just got certified and looking for what they can do as a judge"

Here you can see the link.

The goal for this project is to be helpful, if you feel there is other important information contact Edwin.

New WER build by John Grant

Wizards Event Reporter and supporting web systems were updated today. One item of note to many on this list is the restoration of the "My Events" search option in the DCI Personal Information Center.

A summary of changes is located here.

Introducing MTG Archive project by Alexei Gousev

Alexei Gousev: "At this point, quite a lot of entries have been added to the database (close to 1,000 total).

So next time you're looking for any of these items (or more!), I hope you can do so via this tool."

If you can't find what you're looking for, please feel free to add it to the database yourself for future users to find, or send Alexei an email.

A new Judge Booklet by Ute Kronenberg

Ute Kronenberg: "Over the past 2 years, the Judge Booklet has had its growing "fandom".

Those of you who have been using the Booklet know that it was a little bit out of date and hadn't gotten the attention it deserves recently.

This meant it was time for a change and why not combine that with a complete relaunch? So it is time to say goodbye to what started as silly idea one evening and welcome what it evolved into."

The new booklet can be found here.

Martin Koehler, Sebastian Reinfeldt, and Ute want to offer the booklet in other languages, give it a better design and also they want to offer us more choices of pages.

So if you want to help contact Martin, Sebastian and Ute.

Mobile Devices: Updated Oracle for Modern by Ryan Stapleton

The IPG, JAR, MTR, Oracle, CompRules, Invite Policy and other mobile applications are all available at the Handhelds Wiki Page or at Ryan's website.

If anyone has any other mobile applications/projects let Ryan know and you can get them added to the judge wiki's handhelds section.

DCIR penalty file update by Andy Heckt

If you are still using DCIR the following text is the update for the Penalties.txt file.

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Community and Program

Milijan Gacanovic

Happy Anniversary! August 2011 by Johanna Virtanen

Johanna Virtanen: "It's time for another list of judge birthdays": 5 and 10 year anniversaries celebrated on the community website here! Featured veteran for the month is Milijan Gacanovic

Judge Advancements – July 2011 Update by Carlos Ho

Carlos Ho: "The DCI would like to welcome the most recent additions to our ever growing family": 115 new judges and 22 new Level 2 judges. You can find the long, long list of new names here!

Judge of the Week by Lindsay Heming

Staff of Australian Nationals 2011

The judge of the week article series highlights judges from around the world. They share with us who they are, where they are from, how they got into judging, memorable judging moments, along with some interesting personal experiences. The judge of the week also gets to pick the judge to be featured the following week. Up until now Judge of the week has been focusing on a single judge, however, this installment of JOTW focused on many judges. It is easy to recognize the hard work done by a judge each week, but during our Nationals seasons, it is important to recognize all the hard work done by whole communities of judges. This installment of Judge of the week will be looking at the staff of Australian Nationals 2011.

Judge of the week Australian Nationals: Australian National Team

Also:

Magic Online Judge Open 2011 by Carlos Ho

After the great success of the 2010 MOJO, it's back again in 2011! For all the details, check out the facebook event page here!

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Policy and Tournament Operations

Modern by Even Lindell Heggø

The Magic world has been shaken up by the new Modern format announcement.

Modern is going to appear in the rating category "Constructed", but not "Eternal".

Taking Advantage of the Clock at Regular REL by Ivan Stefanov

At a FNM, a player admits to use the opportunity of thinking at his opponent's End of Turn to let the time run out. How would you rule?

You are suggested to read the full thread, but here's some insight from James Mackay, JAR manager: "At Regular REL, the concept of Wrong or Illegal is less clearly defined. This is intentional, but the intention may be lost in the simplicity of language. I believe players should be penalized when they do something which the wider community would think is a Bad Thing … Please use your experience, your knowledge and your judgment to correctly apply the JAR … Either way, take the opportunity to educate everyone involved. Explain your expectations for fair and fun play, answer questions and ensure the players understand."

Outside Assistance at FNM by Sam Robinson

While watching a FNM match between two newer players, a third player interferes, so one of the players scoops declaring to have won. Read the details.

From James Mackay: "[O] answers on things like this are going to be difficult (if not impossible) … We can always use opportunities like this to educate all three players – A could have called us, B could have called us and C should have shut up … In the meantime, do the best you can and always take notes so that when you get home you can write to this list and ask ‘Who has some ideas on how this could be better?' "

Deck Error scenario at Regular REL by Gunnar Holmstedt

A player realizes to have left one sideboard card in the deck while playing a FNM match.

According to the JAR, you fix immediately the problem by putting the right card in the sideboard. If something tricky is happening, like resolving a Wish, be sure you are not facing a Serious Problem.

Missing Sideboard by Min Moldover

There have been quite a few people wondering about the "If cards from the sideboard are lost, note those that are lost, but issue no penalty" quote disappearing from the IPG.

This is an issue that will be addressed in the next update. Until then, consider it being in the IPG.

Lying by Omission by Carlos Ho

A very long thread arose from an actual scenario. The particular situation cannot be addressed without being there, but Scott Marshall provides us an [O] answer about players not telling everything.

"Lying by omission is possible, although unlikely … If a player is trying to misrepresent information – in-game or not, whether covered by the Player Communication section of the MTR or not – then it really doesn't matter if that player is saying something or purposely not saying something. The intent is to mislead. Now, sometimes that's OK; that's why it's OK to "bluff" about certain kinds of information ("Sure, go ahead and play your FOO; I don't have an answer" … "Uh, I'll Counterspell that" … "Oh, you believed me when I said I didn't have an answer? Hah – I lied!"). Lying is bad, mmkay? Well, except when it's not… "

When to Carry over Penalties by Richard Drijvers

A player concedes after his opponent has been called by a judge for a Deck/Decklist Problem GL. Should we assess the GL and report a 2-1 result, or allow for a 2-0 and a GL on the next round?

A player can concede at any time, but ruling should be enforced first. The former option is the most advisable.

When is it too late? by Pierre Laquerre

Some concerns have been expressed about allowing "take-backs", for example changing the tapped lands. There is no [O] answer available, because decisions could depend on the environment. However, what we should discourage is a rewind because a player forgot making a play and started taking a turn-based action instead.

You can read a precious insight about this in the PT Nagoya Judge Report by Riccardo Tessitori.

Sylvan Library by Jason McFarland

After a long discussion, we have an [O] policy about Sylvan Library.

Scott Marshall: "For Competitive and Professional REL, the player must be aware of their responsibilities. Players will not have an option to return a card that can't be proven to have been drawn this turn. In the unfortunate circumstance where they put all 3 cards into the rest of their hand, they will find themselves paying 8 life. If a player still mixes drawn cards in with cards previously in hand, and can't pay 8 life, they now have cards in hand that shouldn't be there, there's no GRV immediately prior, and you may apply DEC.

For Regular REL – please, PLEASE, educate the player, encourage good play practices."

Also, an announcement about this issue is suggested before starting the tournament.

Bloodlord of Vaasgoth "Missed Trigger" by Christopher Hickman

Bloodlord of Vaasgoth has a trigger that gives other Vampire spells bloodthirst, which is a replacement effect. According to IPG 3.1, a trigger without effect on the visual representation is considered resolved without penalization. If the players forget the counters, they are committing a GRV for erroneously resolving the spell. Backup if you consider it possible.

Player gets sloppy with Marsh Flats by Cj Shrader

A player sacrifices Marsh Flats, plays a spell with the land before physically fetching, then fetches the wrong land. The infraction is caught at the start of the next turn. The resolution of Marsh Flats is technically correct, but we have to deal with an out of order sequencing that presumably led to the error.

We can ask the player what he intended to search with Marsh Flats. Assuming he would sincerely say "a Swamp", we could allow for a "middle-resolution" backup, switching for the correct land.

Consecrated Sphinx by Bob Narindra

Some have noticed that players draw two cards for Consecrated Sphinx without waiting for their opponents to agree.

A "spread use" does not make a shortcut. Shortcuts are defined in the MTR and can be established by players, and this can be even non-verbal: for example, many people keep their hand on the deck and look at the opponent.

If the unfortunate event happens, it is not Drawing Extra Cards, but Player Communication Violation. Educate the players to the correct use of the shortcuts.

Overrun after Combat by Jason Wong

Player A asks for combat, player B declares to tap a creature "before combat", then player B wants to activate Garruk Wildspeaker's Overrun. A calls for a judge, claiming that B has passed to the second main phase without attacking, since he has activated a sorcery-like ability.

The MTR shortcut states clearly that asking for combat equals passing priority in the Beginning of Combat step. If not told explicitly otherwise, players are acting in that step. "Before combat" or "before attackers" is not explicit enough, so we rewind before Garruk's Overrun. A's claim is of course amiss.

Most of these cases are miscomprehensions. Do not assess any penalties, but educate about the shortcuts.

Shortcut for an Arbitrarily Large amount of Coin Flips by Maximilian Schroeder

A player makes an arbitrarily large number of tokens by an infinite combo, then his opponent casts Scrambleverse. Does a way to resolve properly the sorcery exist?

The answer is "probably not". You could try and find some script that simulates the flip procedure (like this one provided by Daniel Schoenbach. Thanks!), but it is not sure how much time would be needed.

The probability theory suggests that the tokens will not split 50/50 – one player will have a small percentage more than the other, but that still probably represents lethal damage. So the players can agree for the shortcut to flip a single coin to decide who gets the majority.

Anyway, everyone is invited to discuss such terrifying corner-cases either on the IRC channel #mtgjudge or on the Community Rules Board.

Comp Rules 602.5c by Federico Donner

An example has been required for CR 602.5c:

"If an object acquires an activated ability with a restriction on its use from another object, that restriction applies only to that ability as acquired from that object. It doesn't apply to other, identically worded abilities."

David Hibbs proposes the following. A player controls Experiment Kraj and five copies of Basking Rootwalla, each with a +1/+1 counter. Experiment Kraj has got the five abilities from each Rootwalla, and each one can be activated in the same turn, regardless of the other ones.

Introducing the Knowledge Pool by David De La Iglesia

"The Knowledge Pool is a new project aimed at creating topics for discussion on DCIJUDGE-L. We will be creating and posting scenarios regularly to provide you all with more opportunities to discuss, learn and enjoy DCIJUDGE-L!"

Read the full announcement.

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